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	<title>Comments on: Jon and Kate Plus 8 &#8211; What do you think?</title>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barb,

I loved what you said. Their divorce isn&#039;t final until sometime around December. I think they are both at fault in their own special way. If they could say, &quot;Hey, we&#039;re going to weather the storm, change our attitudes, get help from counselors and stick this out and forget the divorce&quot;, then I think that would be the best thing that could happen. Usually, after the storm, there is this beautiful blue sky and the clouds go away and you can see clearly. Unfortunately, they caved before the storm cleared. They both need to stop being selfish. I think they should go on the Dr. Phil Show! Maybe Dr. Phil can help them straighten out their marriage. Remember, they&#039;re not really divorced unitl December. Some of your might think, &quot;Dang, Kate shouldn&#039;t go back to that womanizer. But honestly, she helped to create the womanizing monster that Jon became. YOu&#039;re right, they are showing all those lovely children that marriage sucks and it&#039;s not worth it. If you started out loving each other, I truly beleive that a marriage can be repaired. But each needs to be truly willing to change his/her ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb,</p>
<p>I loved what you said. Their divorce isn&#8217;t final until sometime around December. I think they are both at fault in their own special way. If they could say, &#8220;Hey, we&#8217;re going to weather the storm, change our attitudes, get help from counselors and stick this out and forget the divorce&#8221;, then I think that would be the best thing that could happen. Usually, after the storm, there is this beautiful blue sky and the clouds go away and you can see clearly. Unfortunately, they caved before the storm cleared. They both need to stop being selfish. I think they should go on the Dr. Phil Show! Maybe Dr. Phil can help them straighten out their marriage. Remember, they&#8217;re not really divorced unitl December. Some of your might think, &#8220;Dang, Kate shouldn&#8217;t go back to that womanizer. But honestly, she helped to create the womanizing monster that Jon became. YOu&#8217;re right, they are showing all those lovely children that marriage sucks and it&#8217;s not worth it. If you started out loving each other, I truly beleive that a marriage can be repaired. But each needs to be truly willing to change his/her ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Nana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still feel that Jon seems to be enjoying the very thing he claimed he didn&#039;t like.  If the media is correct, hanging out with other women, a 1 bedroom apt, being splashed all over the news is completely opposite of what he said to start with.  Kate is hard on him but with 8 kids someone has to be the bad guy.  If kates brother is so concerned about the kids welfare, perhaps the Duggars should be removed along with several other shows.  Just remember, it is Jon who is in the spotlight-not the kids.  He also seems to like to start every sentence with &quot;I&quot;.  Who cares that he is &quot;only 32&quot;  He fathered 8 kids.  They are #1.  What&#039;s going to happen when one of his girlfriends wants a baby of her own?  He doesn&#039;t work but seems to have no cash flow problem.  Now who is exploiting his children????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still feel that Jon seems to be enjoying the very thing he claimed he didn&#8217;t like.  If the media is correct, hanging out with other women, a 1 bedroom apt, being splashed all over the news is completely opposite of what he said to start with.  Kate is hard on him but with 8 kids someone has to be the bad guy.  If kates brother is so concerned about the kids welfare, perhaps the Duggars should be removed along with several other shows.  Just remember, it is Jon who is in the spotlight-not the kids.  He also seems to like to start every sentence with &#8220;I&#8221;.  Who cares that he is &#8220;only 32&#8243;  He fathered 8 kids.  They are #1.  What&#8217;s going to happen when one of his girlfriends wants a baby of her own?  He doesn&#8217;t work but seems to have no cash flow problem.  Now who is exploiting his children????</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an avid viewer of the show, I just wanted to offer a few observations vs. judgements about the state of the Gosselin family. 1.) Did it not seem like Jon and Kate were more unified and on the same spiritual page (i.e. attending church together as a family), when the had IT/nursing job incomes, lived in a modest-size home, and had the support of friends -Aunt Jody, Nana Jan, and Beth to help them? Did the family not go to Hawaii to renew their wedding vows on national television, reminding viewers a gazillion times during the voiceovers/couch interviews that they wanted to prove to their children that their committment to stay together as a family was tougher than teflon? And why during each interview that Jon and Kate have done, post infedelity allegations/paparrazi/and the full blown fame, are they emphasizing the kids as their priorities, when as a professed Christian couple they should know that a couple&#039;s RELATIONSHIP is the most important thing, not the children. My husband and I are Christians, and parents of a toddler and new baby very soon. We love our kids, dearly, and they are one of the best things to happen to us. But they are just passing people in our lives when you look at it from a certain perspective. The kids will one day grow up, and have their own lives. I married my husband for the long haul, and the maintainance and nurture of that relationship is first and foremost. Perhaps Jon and Kate missed that sermon one Sunday. It just sickens me that they spent 3 episodes last season pledging their eternal unity as a family in a Hawaiian vow renewal only to take this ridiculous route of divorce simply because their &quot;priorites&quot; are the kids and not their marriage. *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an avid viewer of the show, I just wanted to offer a few observations vs. judgements about the state of the Gosselin family. 1.) Did it not seem like Jon and Kate were more unified and on the same spiritual page (i.e. attending church together as a family), when the had IT/nursing job incomes, lived in a modest-size home, and had the support of friends -Aunt Jody, Nana Jan, and Beth to help them? Did the family not go to Hawaii to renew their wedding vows on national television, reminding viewers a gazillion times during the voiceovers/couch interviews that they wanted to prove to their children that their committment to stay together as a family was tougher than teflon? And why during each interview that Jon and Kate have done, post infedelity allegations/paparrazi/and the full blown fame, are they emphasizing the kids as their priorities, when as a professed Christian couple they should know that a couple&#8217;s RELATIONSHIP is the most important thing, not the children. My husband and I are Christians, and parents of a toddler and new baby very soon. We love our kids, dearly, and they are one of the best things to happen to us. But they are just passing people in our lives when you look at it from a certain perspective. The kids will one day grow up, and have their own lives. I married my husband for the long haul, and the maintainance and nurture of that relationship is first and foremost. Perhaps Jon and Kate missed that sermon one Sunday. It just sickens me that they spent 3 episodes last season pledging their eternal unity as a family in a Hawaiian vow renewal only to take this ridiculous route of divorce simply because their &#8220;priorites&#8221; are the kids and not their marriage. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 04:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claudia,
My apologies for overlooking Jon&#039;s cheating, you are correct.  I guess I consider those more &quot;adult issues&quot; that kids don&#039;t blame themselves for.  I feel that Kates decisions can result in the children directly blaming themselves, especially since so much of &quot;her success&quot; is based on the participation and performance of those children.  Thank you for your comments you definitely got me thinking....
barb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia,<br />
My apologies for overlooking Jon&#8217;s cheating, you are correct.  I guess I consider those more &#8220;adult issues&#8221; that kids don&#8217;t blame themselves for.  I feel that Kates decisions can result in the children directly blaming themselves, especially since so much of &#8220;her success&#8221; is based on the participation and performance of those children.  Thank you for your comments you definitely got me thinking&#8230;.<br />
barb</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will never be enough information for outsiders to offer real advice to this family. There is a lot of judgement going on here that is quite frankly shameful. Divorce is never an &quot;easy way out&quot; and to focus on Kate as being the problem because she&#039;s taking this route is unfair. It takes 2 to tango. 
Barbara, I&#039;m suprised at your comment about what the kids will think about their mother&#039;s decision. What about the kids&#039; future thoughts on Jon&#039;s cheating?
The only rationale comment I&#039;ve read so far is the recommendation to pull the plug on the show and have them deal with this privately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will never be enough information for outsiders to offer real advice to this family. There is a lot of judgement going on here that is quite frankly shameful. Divorce is never an &#8220;easy way out&#8221; and to focus on Kate as being the problem because she&#8217;s taking this route is unfair. It takes 2 to tango.<br />
Barbara, I&#8217;m suprised at your comment about what the kids will think about their mother&#8217;s decision. What about the kids&#8217; future thoughts on Jon&#8217;s cheating?<br />
The only rationale comment I&#8217;ve read so far is the recommendation to pull the plug on the show and have them deal with this privately.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohio Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohio Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before two people take their vows in marriage, they need to look at the definition of the word vow. It means we are bound to one another. I think people go into marriage much  too lightly, it seems it is a disposable act now days.  I have been married almost 30 years and you know it&#039;s not all been a bed of roses. But through the trials we have been through we are much stronger because we fought for everything we have. My husband is my best friend and his dedication to me is a wonderful example of what the words better or worse stand for. Because we went through the worst, we are living proof of what better is. Look at the example we have set for our children. We did not give up.. we pushed through and made it.
I would love to see Jon and Kate step out of the public eye with their children and work their tails off to save their marriage for the sense of accomplishment they will have for themselves and for  the well being  of their children. Even if they can&#039;t save the marriage, they need to start looking at the long term effect all this will have on their children. Hopefully their children are young enough that if they get out of the show now, they can begin again. We can all look back at what we should have done, but we can not change the past. We can make sure we do things differently in the future. Their focus needs to be on the 8 young lives they brought into this world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before two people take their vows in marriage, they need to look at the definition of the word vow. It means we are bound to one another. I think people go into marriage much  too lightly, it seems it is a disposable act now days.  I have been married almost 30 years and you know it&#8217;s not all been a bed of roses. But through the trials we have been through we are much stronger because we fought for everything we have. My husband is my best friend and his dedication to me is a wonderful example of what the words better or worse stand for. Because we went through the worst, we are living proof of what better is. Look at the example we have set for our children. We did not give up.. we pushed through and made it.<br />
I would love to see Jon and Kate step out of the public eye with their children and work their tails off to save their marriage for the sense of accomplishment they will have for themselves and for  the well being  of their children. Even if they can&#8217;t save the marriage, they need to start looking at the long term effect all this will have on their children. Hopefully their children are young enough that if they get out of the show now, they can begin again. We can all look back at what we should have done, but we can not change the past. We can make sure we do things differently in the future. Their focus needs to be on the 8 young lives they brought into this world.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband said &#039; clearly the people at social services don&#039;t watch cable&#039;.  Personally I have compassion for any family going through any struggle especially when children are involved but I really have to question why we are so interested and question our responsibility as a society in creating jon &amp; kate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband said &#8216; clearly the people at social services don&#8217;t watch cable&#8217;.  Personally I have compassion for any family going through any struggle especially when children are involved but I really have to question why we are so interested and question our responsibility as a society in creating jon &amp; kate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I caught the part at the end when you ask the &quot;older&quot; man what the secret is for his 27 years.  Well, I was married, happily, for 25 years and still was shocked at the divorce.  After all, the kids had grown, we were financially more secure than ever, we were in good health, had lots of friends and time to travel and enjoy life...So: that&#039;s the next chapter. NOt yet part of your lives. The mid-life crisis. The fear of dying. The attraction to younger girls and the cheating. NO amount of date nights and s e x works then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I caught the part at the end when you ask the &#8220;older&#8221; man what the secret is for his 27 years.  Well, I was married, happily, for 25 years and still was shocked at the divorce.  After all, the kids had grown, we were financially more secure than ever, we were in good health, had lots of friends and time to travel and enjoy life&#8230;So: that&#8217;s the next chapter. NOt yet part of your lives. The mid-life crisis. The fear of dying. The attraction to younger girls and the cheating. NO amount of date nights and s e x works then.</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as my thoughts on Jon &amp; Kate... I haven’t watched the show, that said, I think it’s one thing to have your family/kids life on a reality show when it’s somewhat below the radar or you’re trying to teach/learn something from a limited situation... but once your kids &amp; your parenting start ending up as continual tabloid fodder it might be time to reconsider the choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as my thoughts on Jon &amp; Kate&#8230; I haven’t watched the show, that said, I think it’s one thing to have your family/kids life on a reality show when it’s somewhat below the radar or you’re trying to teach/learn something from a limited situation&#8230; but once your kids &amp; your parenting start ending up as continual tabloid fodder it might be time to reconsider the choice.</p>
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		<title>By: MomX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MomX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel terrible for Kate. First she gets cheated on then left
with all those kids and know there is a witch hunt on her.
I was thinking about sending her a note, its terrible.
The fact that they are criticizing her for being rigged and 
controlling, well you would have to be to survive all those toddlers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel terrible for Kate. First she gets cheated on then left<br />
with all those kids and know there is a witch hunt on her.<br />
I was thinking about sending her a note, its terrible.<br />
The fact that they are criticizing her for being rigged and<br />
controlling, well you would have to be to survive all those toddlers.</p>
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